Disclaimer : as always I will try to be objective – as
always I will fail. I blame Morley/Burchill/Parsons and Savage. It is
impossible to write about Welsh Pop Culture and not succumb to
Morley/Burchill/Parsons/Savage-isms.The Face was my Bible, these writers both
informed and inspired.
I am currently writing a Welsh Language book
on North Wales Archaeology and associated walks, which has none of the
influence or style of the above. I then have another book to write, a psycho-geographical
journey around the village of Pant Glas in Eifionydd – again with none of the
above influences. But, on any detour to Welsh Popland it becomes impossible not
to revert to type.
It is becoming increasingly tempting
to not even go there, if you pardon the pun, if I’d made enough money from what
is discussed below I would love nothing more than to take a huge chunk of time
out – to create and to re-discover, as it is, we have to pay the bills and earn
a living so we do what we have to do
:
I was recently
interviewed by Clancy Pegg for a forthcoming book on what is best described as an
account of the ‘social history of Welsh Pop Music between 1979 and 1997, or
thereabouts, with an obvious emphasis on Welsh Language bands in the earlier
period...... or something like that. It’s Clancy’s book, go out and buy it when it
comes out. I am not going to spoil any of her research.
Clancy and I
originally met in the early 90’s, she was the keyboard player in an early phase
of Catatonia before forming her own band Crac, who produced a wonderful slab of
7” pink vinyl 'Cracyr EP'. What’s interesting here is that she is a Londoner
looking in, she has a perspective which may differ from those who were in the
thick of it, this probably gives her the objectivity which we all lack, but
it’s rare for anyone to actually look at all this from a social history
perspective so I welcomed Clancy’s invitation to be interviewed.
John Robb has
touched on some of it in his book 'The 90’s What The Fuck was that all about ?" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nineties-What-F--k-That-About/dp/0091871352/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377948745&sr=1-6 and Neil Crud has documented
tonnes of stuff on www.link2wales.co.uk but this book will be the Savage/Reynolds style account.
It’s a book that should be written.
Aspects of
what Clancy is discussing / analysing have obviously been touched on in my
autobiography ‘Cam o’r Tywyllwch’ (Lolfa) written in 2006. When we met, Clancy
suggested that some of my rants were tinted with bitterness but I hoped that my
book was an account that set the record straight (obviously my version of the
truth) but at the time of writing that was how the book came out – a full throttle,
foot-down account - part manifesto and part fuck you to anyone who I felt had
done the ‘boy Mwyn’ wrong in some way, yes, but more than that it was an
account of Welsh Pop Culture or at least the alternative / underground culture
at certain points in time and an indication of some of the characters involved.
Today, that
book could never be written in the same way or same tone, I am not in the same
place, but it needed to be documented – if only because no one else ever will –
so at least I have a version there of events – on record, online and in
libraries. Then, in the future it will be up to students of Welsh Social
History in the late C20th to decipher and make up their own minds – it exists
as a document of a period of Welsh Pop Music written at a certain point in
time.
Something
that Clancy did touch on during our long interview was the question of the
“recognition” that people get or more to the point probably ‘don’t get’ and
it’s this aspect that I want to try and explore in this blog.
First of all
you have to ask the question of what you mean by “recognition”. Is this a
respect thing, a financial thing or is it something else ?
I have
touched on something similar within a Blog on art and more specifically the
Futile Gestures – see http://louderthanwar.com/futile-gestures/
Many of the arguments
are probably to be found here.
Creating and forming bands in Wales, and
certainly singing in the Welsh Language, is rarely done for financial reward.
Whatever economy exists for Welsh Language Music it’s not that extensive, it’s
probably below minimum wage, it’s subsistence at best for most, it’s a hobby
for the majority paid for by the other (proper) job. The ones that make a
living from Welsh Culture usually work for Public Funded bodies, “do you wanna
make tea at the BBC” style career opportunities. I ran a management company for
several years before the money basically ran out. I am either a very poor
businessman or living proof that the catalogue that we created in the 80’s and
90’s is economically worthless.
Obvioulsy we all started out to “save the
Welsh Language” and certainly to push the boundaries in the sense of let’s have
some Welsh Language post-punk culture if you consider bands such as Datblygu,
Fflaps, Igam Ogam, Llwybr Llaethog or Traddodiad Ofnus. None of us started out
to make money. We created because we had no choice. Not pushing the boundaries
and not facing up to the Welsh ‘Denim Dinasours’ was not an option.
But if you
look at these characters today, Datblygu have actually come out it credibility
intact. They remain both seminal and legendary and the recent 30th
anniversary brought a smile to many a face when we realised that those
championing Datblygu within the Welsh Language intelligentsia today would
surely have at one point, been the same type of people, in theory at least, that
would have been the subject matter of Datblygu songs – surely these were the
frequenters of Llydaw "byth yn mynd i Ffrainc". (Failed – could not resist that
one).
I smiled for
sure, but in all honesty I also felt that Datblygu deserved and indeed should
have some critical acclaim and recognition. To deny Datblygu the deserved
acclaim makes no sense and serves no purpose and now funnily enough, to recognise the
initial reluctance of BBC producers in Wales to support not only Datblygu but
most of the new bands in the mid 80’s is something that we now fully expect to
be included in any retrospective – you know how they all did Peel Sessions but
were not played on Radio Cymru – it’s now part of the myth – and some of it is true …….
Datblygu made
great records and as a social commentator and lyricist, it’s questionable if
anybody else (apart from Mark Cyrff in a different way) has matched David R Edwards’s talent as a
Welsh Language social or political poet – here is a man who’s talents of
observation match those of Dylan Thomas, but Dave did it in Welsh which brings
us back to the question – what level of recognition do we expect for Datblygu ?
Traddodiad
Ofnus made great records, they signed to Constrictor Records, a German Label
run by Philip Boa, now then, on the ‘recognition scale’ Traddodiad Ofnus hardly
register. They are rarely played on Welsh media today. They were rarely played
on Welsh media then. If they reformed tomorrow who would give them a gig, who
would turn up, who would care ? Good question, and yet, this is a very
important band, they pushed boundaries and banged metal in Welsh.
If you are
ex-members of Traddodiad Ofnus what do you do, you can sit at home and listen
to your own ‘great’ records, you could moan that Datblygu or Llwybr Llaethog
get all the praise (albeit relatively limited praise) but it’s arguable that
Traddodiad Ofnus are a great forgotten band, one of the great lost Welsh bands
– it’s to our shame that we do Welsh Pop History such injustice.
Gareth
Potter, lead singer of Clustiau Cwn, Traddodiad Ofnus, Ty Gwydr and currently
DJ and actor I regard to be a survivor. He’s still there. No sell out. He’s
produced his own play about all this Welsh Underground thing, called ‘Gadael yr
Ugeinfed Ganrif’'– which is a brilliant monologue with music – it’s another
document – critically acclaimed – but is that enough – is that OK for Potter I wonder? Potter is a man of
immense talent, a visionary, a raconteur, a mover and shaker and certainly at
times a man who has the talent to sieze the opportunity – but from the outside
one has to ask the question – does he have a successful career ? Maybe the
DJing pays the bills but from my viewpoint here is a character that is
sidelined by mainstream Welsh media – again arguably to their shame.
Potter had a
brief flirtation with fame (probably not fortune) as an actor on Eastenders.
When we did gigs with Traddodiad Ofnus in venues like the Fulham Greyhound in
the late 80’s Potter was easily the most recognisable person in that room. I
remember well members of the Newtown Neurotics being chuffed to meet ‘Harry off
Eastenders’. Today, is that just a line on his CV ? Should it be more ?
Llwybr
Llaethog have and continue to make great records. They are the true survivors
in the sense that they are probably the only band from that period who are
still going. I have reviewed their dub 12” album recently and many of the
points that I wish to make about Llwybr Llaethog can be found here http://rhysmwyn.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/llwybr-llaethogdub-cymraeg-welsh-dub-12.html
But again
back to the question – what do we expect for Llwybr Llaethog, too old to be
part of the current hip Welsh scene. Too dub for most Welsh audiences. Too
obscure for the ‘arrivistes’. Unlikely to grace a stage at the hip Welsh
Festivals. Victims of a scene dominated by, well just too dominated for it’s
own good – let’s not go down that route – but just to point out that nothing is
expected – not now, as it was not - then.
Financially,
even a well paid gig would be appreciated I’m sure – but we end up back in
square one, the economic value of Traddodiad Ofnus or Llwybr Llaethog in terms
of ticket sales would be negligible – we are not talking about PIL reforming or
the Gang of Four reforming – we have huge talent and no audience – huge
cultural importance but no cultural recognition in any real meaningful sense.
An audience
even, would be appreciated, sod the money, but this year’s Welsh cultural highlight
will be Edward H at the Eisteddfod, 4,000 punters for the denim dinosaurs and
the status quo (riffs) maintained. I have long buried my issues with Edward H,
bless them, they also totally deserve their gig and recognition but my point
today as it was then – is it not possible to do this for more than one Welsh
Language band – obviously not.
As Clancy
asked this question about ‘recognition’ I have to confess that my initial
response was – there is no such thing in Wales – we deliberately and willingly
went into this – because we had no choice – we had to create – maybe it’s our
fault for being crap at marketing our talents. Maybe in the rural environment
there are just not enough ‘hipsters’ as Y Cyrff referred to some of the Welsh
audience. Maybe we are all equivalents of Frank Sidebottom or the Durutti
Column, critically respected but it’s not really worth releasing the box set
collection.
I have no
answers, we are survivors. Those who got out, got out by being part of ‘Cool
Cymru’ and at least had a taste of better things. Some of them did well, had
careers and I guess Cerys and Gruff were shrewd enough to broaden their
horizons. Neither Cerys or Gruff with all their talents combined could have
done it in Welsh. Neither of them would pull 4,000 that’s for sure – so they
got out, became ‘Cool Cymru’, moved on, travelled and every now and again they
can almost afford to do things in Welsh for the few that actually care …. It’s
a funny situation. I’d like to say typically Welsh but it can’t be can it ?
So back to
Clancy’s interview, I’m almost surprised that anyone cares enough to write a
book about all this. I have long accepted our fate, when she asks why such an
such a thing does not happen – I answer “because they would never ask”. We were
always D.I.Y culture anyway, self-released and self-promoted, usually
self-managed – real subsistence culture. We of course also know what we have
done.
The cast of
thousands, people like Alan Holmes of Central Slate, Third Spain, Fflaps,
Ectogram – again no sell out and certainly no pay day. Fflaps got licensed by
Probe Records and recorded several Peel Sessions – as cool as any obscure
Liverpool band – but we had no-one shouting about all this so it remained
underground. At least in the wider world they have things like Meltdown where
someone like Patty Smith or Yoko Ono curates and gives a platform to highly obscure post-punk bands from
Sheffield or wherever but to paraphrase Datblygu –“never from Wales”.
So put on
your own Meltdown I hear you shout, oh yeahh and lose shit loads of money. Curate a stage at
Festival No6 – but they will never ask. It’s not easy. I have no answers just a
frustration that this land of talent (and song) has been so glaringly and
obviously lacking in any cultural vocabulary and maturity to appreciate and
deal with all this. Datblygu and Llwybr Llaethog are certainly not recognised
in any meaningful sense, not in any business sense that’s for sure – so what do
they want ? What do you want ?
One of my
punch lines in ‘Cam o’r Tywyllwch’ (the book) was “respect don’t pay the
bills”. We are the £50 generation, that’s the basic rate for giving a good
quote. Used when required, mostly ignored, but enough £50’s pay some of the bills,
vicious circle, it’s almost prostitution, no wealth distribution. A decent career for all those characters, a half decent career, something more than this ......
On a personal
note, I just moved on,(don’t stand still / don’t stop), shifted, detoured,
ambled (back) to archaeology, Welsh History, the Welsh landscape and a broader
culture than pop music – it’s the same
mission – but I cannot be in the same room as the ‘arrivistes’ - it’s not for me the token Welsh (bilingual)
band thing at Welsh (location) Festivals or wherever. I genuinely loved the new Llwybr Llaethog
12” and felt passionate enough to write a review that maybe no one will read.
That’s how it should be.
It’s probably
true to say, today, as I write this, I stand in as much total opposition to
what they have done with and to Welsh pop music as I did when I first started
in 1979. The problem I guess is we can’t start all over again, you can’t start
a pop revolution at 51, but the politics have not changed !
I do believe
that we should, must and will still create. It will be done mostly DIY with
occasional main stream media / Welsh cultural organisations involvement. It
could all be done DIY of course and many accept that method and indeed advocate
that method but there is an argument, the Robin Hood argument, for some wealth
distribution of the Public money pumped into Welsh Culture – I have never shied
away from that debate and have never been against engagement with the
mainstream. The Pistols went on Top of the Pops. The Clash chose to make a
stance. Both won.
I end, half-jokingly, by
suggesting that the whole cast, from David R Edwards to Potter, from John and
Kev’s, to all the Cyrff and Fflaps and all the rest of the fellow travellers should
be invited to become members of the Gorsedd y Beirdd. That would truly fuck up the whole
thing (for everybody) – just imagine the backstage conversations and arguments with the 'real' poets and the 'real' cultural contributors, the riders with the green Smarties taken out, the diva strops
about wearing robes and not wanting to look too much KKK – that’s the only recognition worth having in Wales and (as great situationists) that
one they all truly deserve – and it is by definition also the one recognition we must not accept.
There are no
answers, or none that I have for you Clancy, we’re all in the words of the
great, late, Tony Wilson ‘fucked’ (just fucked in a peculiarly Welsh style), but I do genuinely appreciate Clancy's invitation to be interviewed for her book and wish it every success - it's a story un-sung heroes and uncrowned bards, of real talent and maverick records, of the last true underground in Europe as the headline by Steve Kingstonon on Welsh bands in 'Elle' once read.
We should
print up some T-shirts “Should have sung in English”. Not such a bad idea
actually – we could have some great images, a bit Welsh-Not post-ironic. That's one for www.futilegestures.com even ......
Final Disclaimer :
The usual self-doubt about publishing. The slightly un-nerving feeling of having to go back over all this, I am so tempted to stop and yet this historian/archivist in me obviously can't stop while the creative side just wants as much distance as possible from the whole thing - but then no dissenting voices means the bastards have won and the rats have reclaimed the ship. Did we fight in the (Welsh) Punk Wars for this ?